Posts by Superfine Apostate

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Let's plan a international apostate convention

by Superfine Apostate in

jw
friends

what we need: a themea "resolution"a dramaa list of talkssome publicationsinterviews

ideas?

suggestions?

Let's plan a international apostate convention

by Superfine Apostate in

jw
friends

what we need: a themea "resolution"a dramaa list of talkssome publicationsinterviews

ideas?

suggestions?

Superfine Apostate

i think singing would be ok.. what songs? praying is another matter though... who would you like to pray to?

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Special Bethel Talk Last Week

by BBOARD in

as you know i still attend all meetings with my still-in family.

last sunday a bethel speaker came to our hall (crenshaw congregation) and gave two talks.

one on "avoiding satan's snares" and the other on "showing patience towards jehovah and his organization.

some 2 or 3 years ago i heard gerrit lösch talking about '75. he'd pretty much say "yes, we were kinda wrong, but why can't you just get over it". admiting something after 30 years in this way just aint enough. i remember well when i first heard about '75 in school and i asked my parents about it (never heard of it before) - they just outright lied to me - nothing was going on in '75... yeah right.

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How many Witnesses would stop going to meetings if..............

by TooBad TooSad in

how many witnesses would stop going to the meetings right now if they were not tied to the.

organization due to family members who are active and are blinded by wt teaching?.

how many husbands, like myself, go to meetings so as not to destroy their marriage?.

Superfine Apostate

my guess is more than half of the wits would stop going. i hear you mate, hang in there, it took me like 3 years and now finally my wife also stopped going - although she's still a believer. but that's alright. when they know you don't believe and still didn't commit adultery or fornication or anything else a nonbeliever is supposed to do, they eventually notice, that not everything they hear in the meetings has to be taken literally.

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God-guided Evolution

by serotonin_wraith in

it's a lot to get through, but if anyone gets through it all and disagrees with my position, i'd love to know why because i'd like to make this more solid.

i don't think i've covered everything yet.

also if you just have helpful pointers.

Superfine Apostate

perhaps god farted and boom - the big bang created the universe.

as long as there's a gap in our knowledge, you can always fill it with a god. any god. but you might just focus on more important things like life instead.

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I'm kinda shakey

by Dagney in

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friends

just got off phone with newly appointed elder friend.

at the end of the conversation, he says, "you know dagney, we need to have the conversation...the one about meetings...i want to see you in the new system....i think about you every day, everyday!!".

i was all cheerful "sure!!!

Superfine Apostate

if he comes alone, you can talk normal... if you want to.

if he comes with another elder, then he does not come as a friend. and in case you want to fade, you'd better lie your butt off or just be quiet. they'll talk about mundane things first, but shortly before they leave, they'll let out the tough stuff.

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Let's plan a international apostate convention

by Superfine Apostate in

jw
friends

what we need: a themea "resolution"a dramaa list of talkssome publicationsinterviews

ideas?

suggestions?

Superfine Apostate

what we need:

a theme
a "resolution"
a drama
a list of talks
some publications
interviews

ideas? suggestions? who should be interviewed? who should give a talk about what? what would be your favourite theme?

i would like a talk by leolaia about nebucadnezzars second uncle and a talk by tetrapod.sapiens about the "free will" meme, followed by the presentation of "the god delusion". the drama could be about a fader being hunted down by the elders and recommendations on how to avoid their calls.

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Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult and here's why I think so

by B_Deserter in

when most people think of "cult" they think of the people's temple, the branch davidians, or heaven's gate.

many also want to put jehovah's witnesses, mormons, and scientologists into this group.

i don't agree with that because there is one main difference between true cults and high-control groups like jws:.

Superfine Apostate

sects, cults, religions... i don't care, their bad stuff by far outweighs their good stuff.

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Throwing the Baby out with the Bathwater Goodbye Watchtower Hello Nothing?

by Magick in

as witnesses who were deeply indoctrinated.

we accepted all of jehovah's witness teachings as a total package, it was "the truth".

there were no cracks in our armor that would allow other ideas, doctrines or thoughts to seep in.

Superfine Apostate

hi destructo-girl! when it became clear to me that the truth(TM) aint true at all, i felt similar: a big depressing void in front of me. but that's just because i was used to have the society fill it up all the time. now it's time to fill the void yourself. at one point i suddenly was aware, that it's not a big depressing void, but a huge space without limits to be filled with free thought. when you start looking at it like this, you are so happy you aren't filled with all that crap anymore...

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Avoiding an Elder

by R.F. in

i'm almost six months past walking away from the religion, and one of the elders has risen and thrown a monkey wrench into my entire plan.

things have been great actually.

since i've managed to shed myself of congregation responsiblities, the elders have gotten off my back quite a bit.

Superfine Apostate

just keep ignoring his calls, he'll eventually give up.

another thing that worked for me was calling back, and when the elder said he'd like to visit me, i just said i'm just too busy at the time.

and if nothing helps and they DO visit you, make sure that either only ONE of them comes along - or shut your mouth, no matter what you want to say. remember that they need 2 witnesses. you can tell anything you want to 1 elder (though it might be risky also), but never talk when 2 of them are there.